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seeyoutomorrowwhenmyguestwillbe w seeyoutomorrowwhenmyguestwillbew hoopigoldbergandnickcanon blame blame. >> i'm glad there was not a right wing takeover, but we end up with a republican rockefeller republican in black face with barack obama. >> damn, that's really harsh. is it right or wrong?
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we debate that tonight. the drums continue. >> around the time petraeus broke off the affair, she began to receive anonymous emails sent from broad well's computer. >> then cessation talk. which states do we want to secede? >> gop and gop crime is the elbow of the day. go time! >> today the president met with progressives which i always find hilarious like whoa, these are real progressives, that's fascinating, what do you want? >> a list he met with organizations of the.
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>> i hope he listened to them. you know who he's meeting with tomorrow? the c.e.o.'s for: >> anybody want to bet who he's going to listen to more? ok, now if you've been paying attention, you know those c.e.o.'s are going to get a lot more weight than the progressives in the white house. van jones was dismissed because fox news had issues with him. here's what he said before the meeting: >> it's funny because there's progressives saying well, we had to fight to get a democratic elected and then we have to fight him to make sure he's
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progressive. by the way i wish you luck in that fight, i really do. he continues: >> i would bet my bottom dollar on it. i'm not positive about social security, but medicare and medicaid, i would be shocked if the president didn't take a chain saw to them. isn't that funny though, even if i'm wrong progressives are saying oh, my god we threw ourselves on a hand grade for the president. why? because they knew he wasn't actually progressive we did what we had to do to get him elected, now please, pretty please will you listen to us. i thought he was supposed to be progressive, i thought that's what the republicans were saying.
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>> we are preserved to preserving the tax breaks for the middle class and piking sure the wealthy pay their fair share. >> the president just got reelected, the republicans are reeling, we told you a mommy reasons he's got leverage. one other a recent poll from pew research center: if you go over the fiscal cliff, they are going to blame the other side anyway, which you should, so you have all the leverage in the world! are you going to use it? some people are hopeful. i am not. i don't believe he will. now, one of the reasons i believe that is because i keep seeing quotes like this from the white for us officials:
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>> i love that. it's like oh, progressives, what an interesting little special interest group we have here. we should keep talking to them% and once we decide what to do, which will be the exact opposite of what they want at least we'll be able to explain it to them and pat them on the head. i'm a little cynical about what the white house plans to do with this so-called grand bargain. led me bring in president for the institute for america's future and co director of the campaign for america's future, i've talked to robert for years about these issues. what's your take, are they going to listen to progressives or is that an uphill climb for us? >> prossives have to mobilize in either case. the coalition is the president helped forge to win the election minorities, women, the
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young is a progressive coalition. he ran advertising his social liberalism and campaigning as a class warrior painting romney as an out of touch vulture capitalist and the one proposal people knew he campaigned on was to raise the taxes on the rich and invest that in areas like our future. he's got to mandate that. he's got a constituency new expects him and needs him to do the right thing. this group, hit volunteersers were hit the hardest by the recession and had the hardest time coming out of the recession. he's got some wind at his back. >> stephanie: isn't it amazing that we have to beg and plead with a democratic penalty to actually do when he got elected to do, what he ran with promises are doing? >> but i think that's true of all politicians. the right had to mobilize to
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make reagan be reagan, and i think progressives would be foolish not to mobilize to make certain obama fulfills the man date that he got out of the election and as progressive as he can be. >> let's talk about that. we're discussing things like social security. we don't need to discuss that at all. if republicans talked to me about social security, i'd laugh in their face. let me play you a clip from a former president. >> social security has nothing to do with the deficit. social security is totally funded by the payroll tax leveed on employer and employee. if you reduce the outgo of social security, that money would not go into the general fund to reduce the deficit. it would go into the social security trust fund, so social security has nothing told with balancing a budget or erasing or
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growing the deficit. >> i would play that to the republicans and say all right next issue. >> i'm with that radical. >> right? >> are you positive social security is off the table? >> we know in the discussions the president had with house speaker boehner a year ago in the summer that you talked about putting social security and medicare on the table but this is a different tile. he's got an election behind him. he's got a majority now looking for a very different course. all of the polls show the overwhelming majority of americans, includion republicans do not want social security and medicare cut in order to deal with deficits, and so i think the president's got the high ground. i think he's going to see a mobilization of his own base, the entire base of the democratic party mobilize to say
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don't touch medicaid, don't touch medicare and social security, raise taxes on the rich, and protect the vulnerable and he's going to face a lot of his own people if he goes a different way. >> so, let's talk about taxes for a second. i don't know why we're having a discussion with republicans on attaches either. if we let the tax cuts expire and reinstitute the middle class tax cuts, which would be a guarantee, because every politician agrees, we would get $1 trillion. in the so-called grand bargain president obama is begging and pleading for a trillion dollars. why are we having this conversation? in a month and a half, we will have the trillion dollars and the republicans can shove it. >> it may well be that's the president's strategy. he's got -- any politician would i'm going to enter into these negotiations, i want buy partisan cooperation. boehner says the president has to say it.
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it may well be because the president has the upper hand on taxes and can do nothing which is what the congress is best at and have those taxes expire and come back and cut them on everybody but the top 2%, that may well be the strategy we end up with. the bigger thing that's not in this discussion that i find particularly disturbing is essentially this kind of a late consensus to use this fake crisis to focus on deficit reduction is highjacking the debate we ought to have on how to get this economy working for the vast majority of americans and how to get people back to work. we ought to be having that debate and they've got to push hard simply to get on the agenda. >> it's amazing a great point and shows why the president is not remotely progressive. he's having the debate totally on republican grounds as if they
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won. no no, no! we won! we won! we should be talking about jobs, increasing taxes. i'm not entered in $3 trillion in spending cuts. the republicans want that, good luck to you. you're right, you got to fight super hard, otherwise you'll lose on social security and tax cuts for the rich. 80% of that grand bargain is devastatingly bad for progressives and the middle class. we appreciate you joining us, bob. >> my pleasure. >> all right. now, when we come back, you know there's more drama with the generals right? now we have the other other woman. >> the widening scandal has now turned its focus squarely toward jill kelly who may play a part in bringing down petraeus, allen and now an f.b.i. agent she
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knew. >> you know the real problem? jill kelley getting that investigation started in the first place. that is outrageous. i'll tell you why when we come back. later, the elbow of the day gop an gop crime. who's the republican that's going after his whole party? we'll explain. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] satirist, & actor, but first & foremost i'm a new dad. we at current tv are very aware of recent studies suggesting that poor diet during the first 1,000 days of human life can cause irreparable harm to our brains and our bodies. that's why "current" has partnered with "1,000 days" to help spread the word & combat a problem that ultimately effects all of us. to see how you can help go to current dot com. brought to you by basf. the chemical company.
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>> cenk: the controversy settling on that general petraeus has gotten broader and broader and more drama to it. now there's a second woman and f.b.i. agent and short list and second general. >> the widening scandal has turned its focus toward jill kelly who may play a part in bringing down petraeus, allen and an f.b.i. agent she knew who's under investigation.
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overnight, her brother spoke well of her. >> she is number one, a mother. that she is number two a wife. >> and number three she is bringing down general's left and right. so what does general john allen have to do with this? >> as kelley and general john allen have been linked in an inappropriate relationship with communications. the f.b.i. agent she contacted to kick off the investigation he sent kelly topless photos of himself and went to congress when he felt the agency didn't act fast enough. >> what are these guys doing?% i think the more important question is why do we even know about any of this stuff? why was any of this investigated in the first place? we explain why jill kelly who was asked about these anonymous emails sent to her in the first place, she asked a friend in the f.b.i. to look into it. here's a quote:
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>> cenk: that's apparently paula broad well sending these messages no one anonymously to jill kelley. where's the threat? where's the crime. why is the f.b.i. literally making a national case out of this. we live in a surveillance state. this is insanity. the source continues: >> cenk: but there's no threats. why is the f.b.i. doing this case which then goes into their most private emails and sex lives and if they can do it to these people, they can do it to any of us. and then, abc news talked to
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former special agent brad garrett and he shares the same opinion, why are we even investigating this? >> the more important question is how did he get initially convinced the f.b.i. to look at this case, because on the surface it doesn't even sit the threat statute then you either are left with a criminal prosecution for threatening emails, which i don't think you have, or you have nothing which is what we appear to have at this point. >> cenk: this is crazy. the guy who started the investigation is the guy who wound up sending those shirtless pictures toville kelley. she must be one alluring woman who have the general send 30,000 pages of emails to her which has got to be a gross exaggeration, but that's what the reports are. now the f.b.i. guy sort of national case and take off rip off his shirt and rush in. this is unbelievable.
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anna, should they have been looking into this at all in the first place? >> i mean, i can understand an investigation being launched initially after news of this came out because there could be a national security issue but if there isn't a national security issue and there isn't sensitive information that broad well knows about who cares. i don't care about that at all. what i find more interesting and we'll talk about it more later in the segment is this is what ended petraeus's career, when you consider his record in both iraq and afghanistan. he was very supportive of iraq, very supportive of the surge in afghanistan. those wars have been a complete and utter failure something michael hastings has been outspoken about. >> cenk: first of all erin burnett talked about why she liked general petraeus so much. >> he made us all feel special and he'd respond to emails. >> cenk: well, it's funny
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emails got him in trouble in the first place. the cozy, oh, my god general petraeus, he was doing a great job in iraq and afghanistan because he likes us, he made us feel special and hastings took that on on piers morgan last night. >> the media has played a role in protecting david petraeus and portraying him and mythologying general pelt race. a roommate in baghdad was involved in one of the most recent foreign policy debacles is addressing general petraeus. those raising those concerns, you might not get that from cnn a spokesperson for the pentagon in many ways. >> our own notebook there, a body slam of cnn and the generals. i want to show you cnn's
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reaction. >> bob is not a spokesperson for the agency. >> i followed her coverage closely. >> just because she's written naughty things about you doesn't make her a spokesperson. >> what makes her a spokesperson is repeating a lot of pentagon claims. >> journalists who challenge the government are seen as oh, wacky outsiders, and the only thing that ever gets you in trouble is not reckless wars that kill hundreds of thousands of people, but sex. >> at beginning, i was thinking the same thing why is this going on because of a sex scandal, it's between him and his wife. but then, a few other angles came saying this could be a security issue who knew, who didn't know. i'm fine with all those questions being answered. what's weird and i understand from a different level is people
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forget they hold these positions, hey do me this favor, send me those emails, by the way don't you like my at-bats. they hold these powerful positions, show off their at-bats and pecs and in the middle of doing it all, they get comfortable with it. so you have powerful positions seen as members who will help you, but forget it can hurt other people. it's a mix up of anything you're doing. >> anna, you've at times had threatens messages. did the f.b.i. jump to start a national case. >> that's the part of the story that's personal for me, because i've gotten extremely threatening emails, messages through the internet, you know, about how so and so has my address, they they will me the address, they're coming to my house to rape me. i've gotten messages like that, and i tried contacting the f.b.i. about it. they don't care about that. the internet, i'm just some random person who cares but
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when it comes to a sex scandal everyone panics and freaks out about it. i think it has to do with the fact that the american public, everyone understands what a sex scandal is and is paying close attention. we constantly hear about it. people are going to have an immediate knee jerk reaction to it. that's kind of frustrating. another aspect of it is, michael hastings is 100% right how come we are not focusing on petraeus's record. how come he gets away with doing some of the crazy things he has done in afghanistan and iraq? then you have the mainstream media turn around and call him a provocateur. >> cenk: general pelt race was so nice to her she answered his emails. what else do you want?
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i'm sure this drama will continue throughout the week, because it's got sex in it. >> a sledgehammer taken to the president and to a host. >> they have sold their souls for a mess of obama pottage. >> some want us to secede from the union. >> today at 4:30, the on line petition had 29,000 signatures, and hour later, 35,000 signatures all of them expressing their anger with the government. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] they're doing this this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>that's an understatement, eliot.
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>> it's go time. (vo) at the only online forum with a direct line to cenk uygur. >>if you had to vote for a republican, which one would it be? (vo) join the debate now. >> cenk: cornell west and tavis smiley were recently on democracy now and had tough words for the president. lets listen. >> it's morally and spiritually profane to spend $6 billion on an election, $2 billion on the presidential election, and not have any serious discussion about poverty.
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we have major problems, ecological catastrophe climate change, global warming. it's very sad. i'm glad there was not a right wing takeover, but we end up with a republican, rockefeller republican in black face with barack obama. >> wow that is incredibly harsh language. on the subject of this critique, he's got a point. black unemployment is significantly higher than white as you see there but also hit harder by the recession still president obama has got an overwhelming part of the black votes. it dipped a little bit but not as much to 93%. he wasn't done yet. he also had unkind words for african-american hosts on msnbc. >> we are living in a society
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where everybody's up for sale, everything is up for sale and he and brother shortstopton, and others have sold their soul for a mess of obama pottage. >> that's even harsher. the critique that some basis in fact, because al sharpton told them something very interesting and leslie stahl reports: >> if he finds fault with mr. obama, he is aiding those who want to destroy him so he's decided not to criticize the president about anything, even black unemployment that's twice the national rate. >> cenk: not criticize the president on anything. that's just so outrageous that it blows me away, but that's considered journalism these days in america. let me bring in a couple people to have the discussion.
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it's great to have you both here. professor rose, i know that you're a little bit more sympathetic to the critique that cornell west and tavis smiley had but was the language too harsh? >> part of the problem is we're busy personalizing what has been a profound social shift. the right wing has successfully moved the right to the center so the old right is the new center and consequently what would have prettily been the center is now considered the left and so a really full progressive position is almost off the table. so it's not i think the analysis is all that wrong, it is that it is part of a much broader context of the shift. unfortunately, as you just pointed out in your previous segment, the media is very interested in the sort of, you
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know, the personal back and forth, rather than the serious realities that frame it, so that's the case in the petraeus story and also the case here. the content of what professor west and tavis smiley are saying is entirely true. what happens is those ideas are really literally pushed to the margins so when they come up, they look extreme joe biden insane and over the top. they're not at all. >> i think it's faulty to in 16 wait that the president doesn't have a commitment to the underserved or to the poor. you have his committee on the underserved, led by organization that is led by john hope bryant, a part of operation hope and they're basically doing what tavis smiley and cornell west are doing which is what americans with a bully pulpit are doing getting into communities that need the most help and restoring financial dignity to their lives. i think also, we've had a lot of
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firsts in this cycle of the election in the campaign and to have cornell west use racist language in talking about our black president is another first. it's sad because he be's said in the past that he protects the president from these attacks that sound like the gop, but now sounds like a gop attacks are coming out of the mouth of dr. west. i find that troubling. the president is able to race unemployment for white americans, he can raise unemployment for black americans, as well. our agenda is tied to theirs, and obama care is just one way where the president has shown that he does care about underserved people in impoverished communities. >> professor rose. >> unfortunately, chenk, this is the problem. this story isn't about caring for the poor this is about the question of policy and not just inviting blue ribbon panels, but the question of policy, the question of financial
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expenditures and cornell and tavis have been incredibly clear about a series of policies, not just sort of relationships and it is unfortunate the case of the democratic party has moved significantly to what would have been the old fashioned right. in fact, even the head of the congressional black caucus recently said that if obama himself proposed and had the same presidency that he had but that he in fact was a white president, that not only would the professional black caucus, but many black leaders would be marching and protesting those very same times are policies and lack of policing. that doesn't mean a black president has to be only black but a black president is black just like if he were a former union leader and president union leaders would expect, if he were a feminist, feminists would expect. african-american are asked to be silent about their distinctive
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crisis in the context of a black president and that's what's troubling about it. we have to get these issues on the table. >> i have to give lauren the last quick word here. we're almost out of time. i agree with professor rose. >> well, i do disagree, because i feel that the thing that the president is trying to do is enrich the lives of all americans. i think that while it is ok for of a americans to have an agenda that we want to see a black president, focus on, i think we are being short-sighted in thinking that the president doesn't look out for all americans doesn't benefit us, as well. impoverished people saw how important their vote was because people wanted to come out and suppress it. we are aware of what is happening in terms of their not being a policy for underprivileged people. when you look at the major issues facing the american economy, they're going to lift everyone's books. >> cenk: i'll leave it there. thanks for the conversation, really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> cenk: when we come back, some
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people and some of them are impoverished are talking about cessation. >> there's no secret that the opposition was always emotional and deem. >> so deep, tens of thousands are logging on to the white house web sided to tell them they don't want to be a part of the union anymore. >> cenk: which state would resecede or eject? we'll talk about that when we come back. >> somebody's actually doing something about poverty. >> serving all the rich and failous people in the restaurant. i said there are many people out there who don't have the money to buy a meal, who cannot get nutritious foods.
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cook what you love and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work
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>> since the election has taken place, it turns out that there are a number of yahoos across the country who decided you know what let's secede from the union. let me give you a representative
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petition that they are putting up on the white house website. this one's from alabama: >> to which i say good luck. could you imagine if alabama was its own country? they'd be begging mexico for passage to citizenship within 20 years. anyway now, of course, texas has taken the lead. of course! a local report from cbs enodal lot fort worth. >> talk of seceding has started again. it's not just the loan star state. petitions from these 14 states have been filed on the white house's website asking for per his to secede. >> tens of thousands are logging on to tell the white house they don't want to be part of the union anymore. a petition filed by micah h. in
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arlington states the economy is suffering because of the administration's neglect of domestic and foreign spending. >> cenk: yeah, have at it. see how that turns out for you. the last time we tried this idea, 600,000 americans died. so way to be patriotic. >> those signing are literally traitors to this country. they would like to commit treason, literally secede from the united states of america. who leads? texas does. the number of petitions filed or signed, these are the top 10, texas is number one. they must be so proud. louisiana number two florida is
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third. georgia's at 24, alabama at 23, tennessee at 22,000, and then north carolina, south carolina, arkansas and finally look at that, we've got kind of a blue state in colorado in the bottom of the top 10 there. now, it's interesting, because most of these states in the top 10 are takers, not makers. that's the language that the republicans love to talk in, right? they actually have done studies on how much they give to the federal government and how much they give back. first of the top 10 states give more to the federal government than they receive. arkansas is 73 cents and colorado at 91 cents. now let's look at the takers, the red toyota always complain about the federal government but all they do is mooch off of it. here's that list.
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>> look at alabama! moochers! takers! losers! south carolina, taking, taking, taking, $1.92. speaking of tennessee their congressman zack wamp i lamb wanted to call him swamp, would be somewhat appropriate said this: >> cenk: look, the reality is i love a lot of these southern states. i've been to tennessee many times, love nashville love memphis, can't wait to go back, true of so many of these states i was recently in austin texas great city, and i'm sure a lot of you live in these places, but
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i'm tired of this unamerican talk. can you imagine if after republicans won california and new york and massachusetts said hey, you know what, we'd like to secede from the union. what would fox news have done with that? oh my god! traitors! traitors! bill o'reilly said terrorists should blow up the court tower in san francisco and they didn't even do a as he session plan. go ahead but you'll be miserable losers and failures. which states would i dump first? the takers and moochers in alabama. have at it, son see how that works out for you. you would be in epic disaster, within 10-20 years, you would be
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begging us, please, massachusetts, please new york, please california, please, the united states of america, take us back, we didn't mean it. it turns out we were milking you all this time and we didn't know what the hell we were doing we're grotesque failures. alabama! alabama! yeah, good luck to you. unamerican. traitors. all right. it's not the whole state. it's not the whole state. 21% of people from alabama said they were in favor of making interracial marriage illegal. when we come back, hope, meals on wheels, some people are actually trying to address poverty. >> we are supposed to be the richest country in the world which should mean that everybody goes to bed happy with a full stomach and nourished well, but it ain't so. people when i'm upset.
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do you share the sense of outrage that they're doing this, this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa.
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>> cenk: tonight we're premiering our network's campaign to focus on hunger, undernutrition and obesity in american, called feeding the need. tonight, we look at wolfgang puck who has raised $15 million for meals on wheels. let's watch. >> i came to this country with not much. i became successful, so we have to give something back. >> hi, karla how are you? >> meals on wheels is of vital importance to older people who can't get out. >> everybody should get a nutritious meal every day. i think that's really the minimum. >> karla is a regular client and
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she called on meals on wheels in the late 1980's. she is now 103. her doctor told her that she had to get meals on wheels back in the late 1980's. she did call and has been on it ever since. >> if they didn't come every day, i really would be desperate. >> we are supposed to be the richest country in the world which should mean that everybody goes to bed happy with a full stomach and nourished well, but it ain't so. >> i think a lot of people think that hunger is skid row people on the streets and you hear a lot about children. you don't hear as much about the older people, but hunger in the senior population is very rampant. there have been several studies recently done that say one in every six senior citizen is food insecure. they do not get enough food to
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eat and they are malnourished. this is a sin to have someone go in the hospital in the united states for malnutrition. we have clients that live in apartment houses that we are the only people that give them something to eat. they're on fixed in comes most of their money goes for rent so they cannot afford food. people that are ill home bound in their homes and unable to go out and meals on wheels is the answer to that. >> we serve the st. vincent meals on wheels 1200 clients a day. we also because we have this new kitchen, other meals on wheels program for the city of l.a. we cook about 4,700 meals a day. it's not just food, it's really good food. it's nutritious. we don't cook with salt, we don't add fat and our foods do not have a lot of sugar in them. we try to have a nutritious meal to not only give them something
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to eat, but nutritious to help them get better or stay well. most of them are really poor. they cannot afford a donation. some will give us $5 a month some 50 cents a month many give us nothing. they're hungry, we deliver a meal to them. we get all private funds mostly individuals, foundations businesses, and that's so important with chef wolfgang puck, because he does allow us extra funding to provide good, nutritious meals. as our numbers increase, we can continue to oh serve. >> look at us serving all the rich and famous people in the restaurant and i said there are many people out there who don't have the money to buy a meal who cannot get nutritious food. we raise more and more money went up to $700,000. >> i thought that was sensitive and really kind, that a chef
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like himself would think of us and think of people that were not able to go out and to go to his restaurant. >> we're open on all holidays, those are the days really lonely for seniors and we give them extra things and we always treat them with great dignity and kindness. >> i look forward to them coming every day and it's also very nice, because they're friendly, and the food tastes just wonderful. >> we promise people that when they help the poor and they do a really good job, they go straight to heaven and i promise them that, and they're all counting on that, amounted it's true. they will. >> now that's some good religious folks. to find out more about the campaign, to get wolfgang puck's recipes for healthy eating and see more of our interview with him, go to current.com/currently.
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>> with we come back, the elbow of the day, but it ain't us, it's a gop governor on his whole party. can you guess it? someone got it right yesterday. give it a shot.
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>> cenk: viewpoint with eliot spitzer is next. what do you have for us? >> we've got bill maher the always funny incisive brilliant guy who tell us why the republicans are still living in a bubble and if they can fight their way out plus bernie sanders who is going to explain how the president should negotiate if there is going to be a grand bargain. figuring out what's going on with general petraeus and having a. it's going to be a fun show. >> cenk: sounds great looking forward to it. see you then.
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when we come back, elbow of the day. (vo) now, it's your turn. (vo) connect with the young turks with cenk uygur. >> it's go time. >> cenk: you know, every day we ask to you guess the elbow of the day. sam got it right yesterday correctly predicting that it would be rowdy roddy piper the guy who suggested it in the first place. you're right. phenom classic 93, nicely done. today's elbow of the day bobby jindal. let's go to those quotes:
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>> cenk: those are harsh words for his own party. he's going to be head of the republican governor's association. he says: >> cenk: one more. he's not done yet, one more quote: >> cenk: so bobby jindal throwing the entire gop to the middle of the race. stop being to dumb! ok. well, i like that, but let's keep it real. you only have simple solutions lower taxes on the rich and
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